Used EV’s selling quicker than used gas cars

If we just agreed with you, just once, would you stop trying so hard to assert your “smartest guy in the room” act?

 

As usual, reality is likely somewhere between the two extremes so vocally represented here by the ev haters and the KoolAid drinkers. It's certainly not the case that your average ice engine/transmission combo will go 500k with basic maintenance and it also seems fanciful that the cost of oil changes over 200k will pay for a replacement ev battery pack.

 

Grom is always the answer.

 

Dr Evil style....

Electrrriiicccc Grom?!?!

 

This got me thinking, how much are oil changes? I always do them at work.

5k miles per change = 40 oil changes in 200k miles.
$10k battery = $250 oil changes
$13k battery = $325 oil changes

Even with synthetic oil, people can’t be paying that much?

Agreed, if you aren’t living in an apartment and can charge at home, they are a pretty good used car value.

 

Notice I didn't mention anything about mileage. Good luck finding a part for it that is specific to it in 5+ years. Parts it shares with other makes and models you 'll be fine getting but the specific shit is gonna be like hens teeth.

 

My nephew has a new GM HD truck with a 6.6 liter gas engine. He always changes his own oil, but he had a new driveway approach to his barn poured a few weeks ago, can't drive on it for a month. He took his truck to a Chevy dealer for an oil change.....$200!

 

I remember paying $10-20 in California, so 90’s to early 00’s, when I went back and forth doing it myself or paying a shop, since it was so cheap. Back then you could buy oil for $1 per quart, way before everything seemed to go synthetic.

We charge $139 plus parts, to do PM’s on forklifts out here. We have to drive all the way there with a fully stocked truck, and then transport the dirty oil back to dispose of it. With an oil filter, air filter, grease, chain lube, and plus disposal fee, it’s $250-300 all in, on a propane forklift.

Electric forklifts are cheaper for PM’s, they run $150-175.

 

And about a third of that $200 is materials

 

The full self driving is a complete game changer. Getting home from traveling in China for two weeks and having the X drive home was ducking amazing.

 

My Tacoma is about $125 at the dealer for an oil change....every 10K miles.

200K miles of oil changes is $2500.00

A new Tesla battery is anywhere form $10,000 on up to replace.

What f*ckin' school taught you math?

 

Just rode in a 3 motor cyber truck to and from dinner. Amazing drive and except for a couple of extremely foolish 0-60 dashes it was self driving.
Amazing. The price of two gas powered trucks amazing? No.
Dude is happy so I'm happy for him.

 

As far as life span and reliability, I'm not about to agree that the Tesla will need a battery replacement before my Toyota. My Sequoia has over 300k miles. NOTHING has ever broken on it. Just maintenance. My Camry is just shy of 200k. The only PITA was a clutch replacement. Standard wear part. Imagine my shock to find out it required the engine to be removed. Still, that's on me for lack of research before searching the US for this rather "rare" base model. My daughter's Camry is also just shy of 200k. We bought it at 120k, not exactly taken care of. We've taken care of it. Only thing we've replaced is the starter. (Beyond normal maintenance stuff like brakes.) I think my old Honda Accord (hybrid, but the old one) is at 240k. It still drives like it's friggin new. The radio is kinda gone, and we've ignored the long dead hybrid battery, so it's just a v6 accord. I'm pretty sure it was around 240, but my son still drives it on occasion so it may be closer to 260 or more. As far as maintenance, my son and I do all our own work. Costco synthetic oil, and we buy our filters in bulk. No idea what kind of savings that is. The last time I paid for someone to change my oil was... damn, I was a teenager.

So, what if I have to replace an engine? What kind of cost comparison vs a new battery? I've heard horror stories about full battery replacement for a Tesla. Over 20k. What would a refurb engine cost for any of my cars or SUV? 5, maybe 7k? I'm not making that argument as I know, just an educated guess that leans heavily in the ICE category.

Another issue I have with the ICE cars are being able to work on them. Tesla doesn't even let you, do they? Not that I'd want to. The zappy zappy scares the crap out of me. I'll leave that to the Dern types.

With all that said, they have a place. I'm not against them, obviously since I'm considering buying a used one.

And @Boman Forklift , you might be onto something. Getting used to the Lexus quality, my wife would probably not like going back to her old Pontiac Grand Am quality. LOL (Her first car when we were dating/first married. What a POS!!!!)

 

Replacing A Tesla Battery Costs Around $13,000 To $22,000+

 

What is Tesla 300k battery warrenty ? My ecoboost I blew up in my 2014 f150 was 14k. I was running 35psi boost that was a fun truck. Ran a 12.9 and my model X is low 11 hahah

 

Yep..the one trick pony.

 

A microwave will cook a hamburger faster than a grill too but you don't see people getting together in a back yard for microwaved burgers...

 

Mathematically speaking the best thing is to keep whatever vehicle you have in good shape and replace parts as required.

Funny that no one talks much about the cost of wiring your home for the charger and the fact that Teslas eat tires faster than a fat kid can eat a box of donuts.

 

EV's are low effort, overly competent, easy to maintain, and very quick at getting the job done.
So is a fleshlight.

ICE takes effort, has various flaws, needs considerable maintenance, and requires some time to get right.
So does my wife.

I'll take her over that fleshlight any day.