I'm just glad that I live in such easy times that we have to invent imaginary problems. But you know what they say about "easy times".
Counterpoint: Say we both worked for Disney and I refused adding pronouns because I personally think it's ridiculous and I refuse to participate in anyone's gender delusions. At the end of the year, doing and equally good job, I DIDN'T get a nice bonus and a raise. You cool with that?
Yeah, but this is the beeb. And at least lately, threads more often than not devolve into (barely) veiled political shit.
Appreciate it. We went out of state since the fire started and just got back. Drove through Altadena a bit, looks and smells like it got flattened by a flight of B29s.
How about they step away from TikTok or whatever and do their chores so my foot doesn't accidentally become broken off in their asses?!? All kidding aside, I talk tough but we all know they run Bartertown. I'm just a financier and transportation.
My response: Its Disney's email. Disney paid me for my time and expertise. If you make a stink about such a small request because you think its silly and adamantly refuse to do it, how can I as a boss trust you to carry out the company's work in a competent and reliable fashion acting with the company's interests in mind during your working hours? By making a mountain of an issue on this small and petty item, I would question your judgement and social competence in the workplace. Whether I think its silly, stupid, or just foolish doesn't make it a mountain I want to die on. In life, you need to stay aware of the things that actually matter, and choose your battles accordingly. What name, pronouns, gender, sexuality, etc. a co-worker, boss, or employee choose to own or use (as long as they are not offensive) doesn't matter to getting the job done with competence. Having been demoted, assigned work that was denigrating, and denied promotions and raises for less work-related reasons in my career than this one, yeah, I'm OK with you being penalized for being petty and foolish. Aside from work issues, going ape shit over pronouns makes me assume the person doing so is insecure in their gender assignment and/or expression. People who are secure in their understanding of themselves and their interactions with the world just don't invest that much time in the pronoun issue. We shake our head, say "I don't get it, but whatever" and move on.
So, let me see if I’m grokking this. You’re fine with people being penalized for refusing to kowtow to something that is “less work-related”, because you were penalized for something that is “less work-related”? Is that like fighting racism with more racism?
That certainly seems to be the trend these days. And if that's what you got out of what I wrote, I'm feeling sorry about your reading comprehension.
Explain where I’m wrong. It’s ok to punish someone over something so petty, because you were treated unjustly? I quoted your post. Is there some nuance there that evades detection?
I can understand where you're coming from, but I disagree depending on how people engage the world. If it's someone going off the deep end and ranting and raving about fighting the machine, that to me is just too much. But the simple act of refusing to play the game...I dont see anything wrong with that. People can live their lives however they want IMO, as long as it doesn't impede others ability to do the same and be from from violence, crime, maltreatment, etc... But I dont think the only way to handle it is to shrug your shoulders and say "meh". If someone asked me to refer to them with a particular pronoun, I'm ok with it. But the second you demand it, threaten my livelihood because of it, try and indoctrinate my kids into thinking they HAVE TO...that's where you rub me the wrong way. Live your life the way you want, and I live mine the way I want, and we will get along great. Try to force me into that foolishness and now we have a problem. How can someone simultaneously say they want the freedom to be whatever pronoun/gender they want, and also be ok with stepping on my freedom to not participate in it? Like the cisgender thing. I don't consider myself a cis anything. I'm just a man...but some people won't accept that and try to force it on you. How is it ok to force some pronoun/descriptor on me and be wailing against that same action being done to you? (Not you in particular...just conversation)
Absolutely. And your choices have consequences. You are free to go along or accept the consequences. Businesses aren't democracies. They are dictatorships. The only thing giving employees "rights" to object are employee organizing (unions) or federal/state/local labor regulations.
Isn't that what "whataboutism" is all about? If someone gets away with breaking the law, I should be able to as well, right? If that's true, then the logic in reverse is also true. If I'm penalized for something petty, then its OK to do it to anyone else too. Right? If someone is a dick towards other people, they shouldn't be surprised when others treat them like the dick they are.
This entire discussion was about a work situation. There was no discussion of individual person-to-person interactions. In individual person-to-person interactions outside of business, there would be no need for putting pronouns in the email signature, as you'd know the person already.
I never expected whataboutism to be the shield you tried to hide behind. Disappointment is the result of having expectations. My bad.
I guess I got off topic/moved this off topic then. I tend to look at everything at once. Within the company policy there are still interpersonal connections that happen non-stop, throughout the day. If I was in the group that wanted to use the pronoun changes, and my company was forcing others to use it or be fired, not recieve a bonus, get overlooked for promotion...my stance would be "I would like for them to use my preferred pronoun, but I don't think my co-workers should be penalized if they choose not to".
