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MOTOGP | 2027 | SILLY SEASON

Discussion in 'General' started by LukeLucky, Dec 3, 2025.

  1. Quicktoy

    Quicktoy Is it Winter yet?

    Yep. She’s a milf.
     
  2. cBJr

    cBJr Well-Known Member

    Enea Bastianini vs. MotoGP Teammates (Season by Season)

    2021 – Avintia Esponsorama / Sky VR46 Avintia Teammate: Luca Marini

    Bastianini

    • 11th in championship
    • 102 points
    • 2 podiums
    Marini

    • 19th in championship
    • 41 points
    • 0 podiums
    Result: Bastianini comfortably won the teammate battle (+61 points). As a rookie, he established himself as the clear lead rider in the team and more than doubled Marini's points total. [riderstats.com], [motogp.com]

    2022 – Gresini Racing MotoGP Teammate: Fabio Di Giannantonio

    Bastianini

    • 3rd in championship
    • 219 points
    • 4 wins
    • 6 podiums
    Di Giannantonio

    • 20th in championship
    • 24 points
    • 0 wins
    • 0 podiums
    Result: Total domination by Bastianini (+195 points). One of the biggest teammate beatdowns on the grid. Bastianini emerged as a title contender while Diggia struggled through his rookie season. [legacy.driverdb.com], [motogp.com]

    2023 – Ducati Lenovo Team Teammate: Francesco Bagnaia

    Bagnaia

    • 1st in championship
    • 467 points
    • 7 wins
    • 15 podiums
    Bastianini

    • 15th in championship
    • 84 points
    • 1 win
    • 1 podium
    Result: Major loss for Bastianini (-383 points). Injuries severely impacted his season, but on paper this was his worst teammate comparison. Bagnaia dominated the championship and retained the title. [motogp.com], [riderstats.com]

    2024 – Ducati Lenovo Team Teammate: Francesco Bagnaia

    Bagnaia

    • 2nd in championship
    • 498 points
    • 11 wins
    • 16 podiums
    Bastianini

    • 4th in championship
    • 386 points
    • 2 wins
    • 9 podiums
    Result: Bastianini rebounded strongly and had a career-best season outside of 2022. However, Bagnaia still held a clear advantage in points, wins, and podiums. This was a competitive loss rather than a blowout. [motogp.com], [riderstats.com]

    2025 – Red Bull KTM Tech3 Teammate: Maverick Viñales

    Bastianini

    • 14th in championship
    • 112 points
    • 1 podium
    Viñales

    • 18th in championship
    • 72 points
    • 0 podiums
    Result: Bastianini won the teammate battle (+40 points). Neither rider challenged at the front consistently, but Bastianini adapted to the KTM more effectively than Viñales. [motogp.com], [riderstats.com]

    2026 – Red Bull KTM Tech3 (through Assen) Teammate: Maverick Viñales

    Bastianini

    • 12th in championship
    • 69 points
    Viñales

    • 22nd in championship
    • 10 points
    Result: Bastianini is again comfortably ahead of his teammate (+59 points). While KTM remains behind the championship leaders, Bastianini has been the clear lead Tech3 rider so far in 2026. [motomatters.com]

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    CAREER TEAMMATE RECORD

    2021 vs Marini: WIN 2022 vs Di Giannantonio: WIN 2023 vs Bagnaia: LOSS 2024 vs Bagnaia: LOSS 2025 vs Viñales: WIN 2026 vs Viñales: LEADING

    Current Record: 4 wins, 2 losses

    ==================================================

    RANKING BASTIANINI'S TEAMMATE PERFORMANCES

    1. 2022 vs Di Giannantonio
      • 219 points vs 24
      • 4 wins vs 0
      • Complete domination
    2. 2021 vs Marini
      • 102 points vs 41
      • Outstanding rookie season
    3. 2025 vs Viñales
      • Clear KTM team leader
    4. 2026 vs Viñales (ongoing)
      • Strong advantage so far, season not complete
    5. 2024 vs Bagnaia
      • Lost, but still delivered a world-class season with 386 points
    6. 2023 vs Bagnaia
      • Injury-hit campaign and by far his weakest teammate comparison
    Summary: Bastianini has generally been one of MotoGP's strongest teammate benchmarks. He decisively outperformed Marini, Di Giannantonio, and Viñales. The only rider who has clearly had his number inside the same garage has been Francesco Bagnaia on the factory Ducati. [riderstats.com], [legacy.driverdb.com], [motogp.com], [motogp.com]
     
  3. cBJr

    cBJr Well-Known Member

    Enea Bastianini vs. ALL KTM Riders Since Joining KTM (2025-Present)

    This is probably the fairest way to judge how he's actually performing on the KTM, because it removes the "factory Ducati vs satellite KTM" issue.

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    2025 FINAL STANDINGS

    1. Pedro Acosta (Factory KTM) .......... 307 pts
    2. Brad Binder (Factory KTM) .......... 155 pts
    3. Enea Bastianini (Tech3 KTM) ........ 112 pts
    4. Maverick Viñales (Tech3 KTM) ....... 72 pts
    5. Pol Espargaró (wildcard/sub) ....... 29 pts
    [motogp.com], [riderstats.com]

    What this tells us:

    • Acosta crushed everybody in the KTM camp.
    • Binder was clearly second-best KTM rider.
    • Bastianini was third-best KTM rider.
    • Bastianini comfortably beat Viñales (+40 pts).
    • Bastianini finished 43 points behind Binder despite spending much of the year adapting from Ducati to KTM.
    KTM Rider Ranking (2025)

    1. Acosta
    2. Binder
    3. Bastianini
    4. Viñales
    ==================================================

    2026 CURRENT STANDINGS (after Assen)

    1. Pedro Acosta (Factory KTM) .......... 133 pts
    2. Enea Bastianini (Tech3 KTM) ........ 69 pts
    3. Brad Binder (Factory KTM) .......... 58 pts
    4. Maverick Viñales (Tech3 KTM) ....... 10 pts
    [motomatters.com], [supersport.com]

    What this tells us:

    • Acosta remains KTM's benchmark rider.
    • Bastianini has moved ahead of Binder.
    • Bastianini has absolutely demolished Viñales.
    • Bastianini currently trails Acosta by 64 points but leads Binder by 11.
    KTM Rider Ranking (2026 so far)

    1. Acosta
    2. Bastianini
    3. Binder
    4. Viñales
     
  4. Rdrace42

    Rdrace42 Almost Cheddar

    :eek: Holy data dump, Batman! Either someone has an un-proclaimed love for the Beast, or Enea himself has joined the Beeb.
     
  5. Boman Forklift

    Boman Forklift Well-Known Member

    This once again reinforces my puzzlement on why Marini still gets good rides?
    • I’ve heard he gives good feedback, is that the reason? But isn’t that really what the development riders are for, not your guy racing for wins/championships.

    • He is related to Rossi, is that the reason?

    • Wasn’t he the only Ducati rider a few years ago on a competitive bike that didn’t score a win?

    I can’t figure it out?
     
  6. LukeLucky

    LukeLucky Well-Known Member

    I doubt Marini will win a championship on any bike, but he is the leader in Honda points comfortably. He almost never crashes too, so if you’re looking to get feedback at a low cost, not only will he save you money in crash and maintenance costs, but that also means more laps and more data you need to make changes.
     
  7. RM Racing

    RM Racing Tool user

    Bastianini (Matt Birt - please learn how to pronounce his name) reminds me of Cadalora. Up and down until contract time, then on the gas. There is some motivation missing at times.
     
  8. Boman Forklift

    Boman Forklift Well-Known Member

    I suppose, but someone like Honda wants to win. I think that's why they are releasing him. If you have deep pockets, I would rather try and tame Mir a bit, or fix my lack of front feel, versus staying with a guy that isn't exciting and has never won in motogp, even when riding the best bike on the grid at the time when he was riding a Ducati.

    I had to google this because I wasn't sure if Marini was on current Ducati's when riding them. According to this he was. Hell, even Miller and Morbidelli won on Ducati's and they are about to be bounced out of MotoGP.
    • 2021: Rode the Ducati Desmosedici GP21 with Sky VR46 Avintia.
    • 2022: Rode the Ducati Desmosedici GP22 with the Mooney VR46 Racing Team.
    • 2023: Rode the Ducati Desmosedici GP23 with the Mooney VR46 Racing Team. [1, 2]
    source https://www.google.com/search?q=wha...HCTAuNy4yNy4yM8gHswOACAE&sclient=gws-wiz-serp
     
  9. LukeLucky

    LukeLucky Well-Known Member

    I'm def not arguing in favor of him, just the context why he's been considered and is still around. He did finish his last season in Moto2 2nd in the championship. The riders that are currently placed 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 6th in the Moto2 championship appear to have contracts for MotoGP next year, so that's not off at all. He certainly underperformed on the VR46 MotoGP team although he did get two podiums and two pole positions in his last year with them. That + his consistency and ability to provide feedback is likely why Honda picked him up. Their bike was unride-able, their lack of development cost them their greatest chance for more championships in recent years with Marc. Again, not arguing for him, but just the likely context.

    2027 makes sense to part ways, if ever, because everyone is starting with a new machine, so development is at least more balanced across manufacturers. I'm sure Honda want to win and they have the budget to get there if they can figure out how to develop a competitive bike. That said, it also seems very possible that Zarco retires and Marini takes the remaining LCR seat. He's a safe bet. Consider Chantra's brief MotoGP excursion. The only other option that would be a win for Honda/LCR is if they could convince Manu Gonzalez to take Zarco's seat. Between riders like Binder, Marini, Miller, etc. I can see why a brand would choose Marini.
     
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  10. Quicktoy

    Quicktoy Is it Winter yet?

    VR46 to get one factory spec bike next year. I’m betting Fermin gets it.
     
  11. scottn

    scottn Well-Known Member

  12. Chango

    Chango Middle Aged Curmudgeon

    Even if the list is old, Miller does have more MotoGP wins than Acosta.
     
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  13. Quicktoy

    Quicktoy Is it Winter yet?

  14. Boman Forklift

    Boman Forklift Well-Known Member

    Pretty cool that Pecco was able to stand up to his mentor and just think logically. I would think that had to be very tough. Brought up in the Rossi academy and I’m sure he idolized him like many of us do, but he had the strength to say no thanks, not my fight.
     
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  15. Robin172

    Robin172 Well-Known Member

    Was it Pecco's dad who gave Marquez a ride back to the paddock after he'd crashed earlier this season? When they got there Marquez hugged him and Pecco's mother.
     
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  16. Quicktoy

    Quicktoy Is it Winter yet?

    I forgot all about that. It was then that I realized the Pecco and Marc truly do have a great working relationship. I think that’s awesome.
     
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  17. fastedyamaha

    fastedyamaha Well-Known Member

    When you’re the beta to the goat, of course you’re going to get along great. Plus the ability to look at Marc’s data and talk to him is huge.
     
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  18. ducrcr

    ducrcr reasonably fast old guy

    I dunno, it wouldn't completely shock me if Marc's data was of questionable value to Pecco, given different riding styles, Marc's alien ability to override the bike, etc....
     
  19. IL8APEX

    IL8APEX Well-Known Member

    Any VR46 news this week? I've been kind of out of it.

    -T
     
  20. Chango

    Chango Middle Aged Curmudgeon

    Only thing I've seen is them confirming that they're staying with Ducati for another 3 years, but no official rider announcements yet.
     

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