Delta Ops…..do better

inpayne said:
You can defiantly run ac on 1 2 or no engines with the apu in the back. That’s bogus.
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Not if its broke....Are they airworthy with no operable AC packs? I am prettyy sure one can be down, but both?

Or maybe they left the fuel card at home and didnt want to use their own CC....lol
 
ChemGuy said:
Not if its broke....Are they airworthy with no operable AC packs? I am prettyy sure one can be down, but both?

Or maybe they left the fuel card at home and didnt want to use their own CC....lol
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Usually can fly with 1 at a lower altitude. With 2 out, well there would be no pressurization at all…
 
On our jet One engine doesn’t cool the plane as well as the apu so like today when the gates were a cluster . We were single engine but I turned on the apu and transferred the AC to run off the apu. Kept the plane cool. Sorry for the guys that get profit sharing that I burned a little extra fuel I guess but our delayed customers were happy getting off the plane.

my wife was on a plane to Edinburgh and they were delayed an hour for the PA system and they wouldn’t turn on the apu and they all cooked in the back. The ground air doesn’t keep up in the summers
 
Hooper said:
I went the other night to MFE (McAllen, TX) to pick-up my son, DIL, and grandkids returning from Cairo. The flight (from DFW) was due in at 12:21 AM. They actually touched down at 12:13. However, there were no gates open for them to be able to park the plane. Apparently another flight had been diverted from a different airport (Brownsville) and was sitting at their gate. MFE only has 6 gates and only 2 or 3 can handle a 737 sized aircraft. Further complicating things was that since this was after midnight they only had minimal ground crew so shuffling planes around was not really an option. They sat on the tarmac for over 1 1/2 hours before they were finally positioned at a gate and allowed to de-plane. That was longer than the trip from DFW to MFE itself. What made it even worse was that, apparently when the plane is sitting on the tarmac with the engines at idle and not being hooked up to an APU they cannot run the A/C so it got a little warm inside the plane. This was not on the airline (AA) but more a confluence of unfortunate events. A helluva a way to end the last leg of a 24+ hour long trip from halfway around the world.
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Some of the older clapped out 737s don’t do well running the packs on the engines at idle. The answer would be to start the APU, however, it’s not uncommon for the APU to be inop. When the summer schedules are running, most operations are using every bit of lift they can muster, that means less downtime for maintenance and more broken equipment. It’s true, the NG 737 is the clapped out SV 650 of the airline industry.
 
MGM said:
Some of the older clapped out 737s don’t do well running the packs on the engines at idle. The answer would be to start the APU, however, it’s not uncommon for the APU to be inop. When the summer schedules are running, most operations are using every bit of lift they can muster, that means less downtime for maintenance and more broken equipment. It’s true, the NG 737 is the clapped out SV 650 of the airline industry.
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Oh god....you just triggered a memory from my brief Sky Peso (f^&*k you Ed) to AA days. Bus shows up with an Inop APU. No biggie, there's a huffer at the gate. But its down to. OK..bring another over...short dleay...its broken as well. Took over an hour to get it sorted. Missed connection.
 
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You guys see these things before....

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They make great sounds everyone like to hear....lol.

your cruising at 35k...just chillin and you hear Terrain...Terrain...Pull Up...like WTF
 
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Hooper said:
Just reporting what they were told...
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AA has a weird policy on this, It's not the first time passengers have been told this and it's absolutely untrue, as Inpayne says above. Deferred APUs are pretty rare these days, considering the level of training of ground crews and the need for a start cart, etc. Not to mention dying from heat while on the ground.

I will not take an airplane with a single pack or deferred APU in summer. We have 850 airplanes, go find another one. But then again my Give a Chit Meter needs recalibration I'm told.
 
Steak Travis said:
On our jet One engine doesn’t cool the plane as well as the apu so like today when the gates were a cluster . We were single engine but I turned on the apu and transferred the AC to run off the apu. Kept the plane cool. Sorry for the guys that get profit sharing that I burned a little extra fuel I guess but our delayed customers were happy getting off the plane.

my wife was on a plane to Edinburgh and they were delayed an hour for the PA system and they wouldn’t turn on the apu and they all cooked in the back. The ground air doesn’t keep up in the summers
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A few years ago, I spent three hours on the ground leaving Mexico City on Vivo Aerobus, the Allegiant of the South. It was 90 outside and over 100 on the plane. I had sweat dripping off my nose, but I can see the humor in such experiences. My Mexican counterparts were not so understanding.

People were yelling and pounding on the plane. I couldn't believe it. If this were Delta out of ATL, half the plane would have wound up on a no-fly list. :crackup:
 
MGM said:
Your operation is quite different then. We’ll MEL an APU at the drop of a hat and run the plane until the MEL expires.
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Yeah well at WN they are gonna have to find new pilots instead of a new plane. No way in hell are most guys accepting a apu inop in the summer.

I’ve only done it once and it was because well… I blew it up on the inbound leg. Cracked that sucker right in half.

In the example above they were prob just being cheap and not starting at the apu. F that.
 
It's getting worse, as @Gino230 suggested it would. I've flown Delta almost exclusively for 8 years, and delays happen, but very infrequently.

In the last month, I've been delayed, cancelled, or stranded at an airport on every flight I've taken.

I called yesterday because the app wouldn't let me change a flight. The rep told me no seats were available. I hung up and booked a new ticket on the same supposedly full flight.

I don't know what's happening, but it's not positive.
 
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