First crash of a 787. RIP to all involved. There is a video showing it gear down, looks clean, nose up in controlled flight and it just settles into the ground. WTF did someone screw up to get into this position? Very sad.
For a fairly regular flier that is horrifying. Video linked below. All those passengers knew they were going top die. https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/cy4kxq9e9gqo?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us
The attitude and wing deflection suggest that it was right against a stall so the safe money is that both engines were out. There’s the suicide thing we’ve seen before, but that plane looked like the pilots were working hard to keep it in the air. Tragic.
Suicide would've climbed out and then spiked it. This definitely looks like both engines out and did all they could.
Reminder, If your engine on your car goes out, you can pull over and ask the old lady for a beejer. You won't get one anyhow, but at least you will still be alive.
Dang....more info out at least 1 survivor. It crashed into a teaching hospital dorm. Crash is about a mile from departure end of runway...so they very quickly lost power. Worst case scenario. Another mile and there was an open space...maybe not perfect but probably less killed on the ground. Not enough energy to get there.
If they had a bird strike while taking off, on the runway, then they're committed and were basically doomed. This highlights my biggest fear and something I don't understand about commercial aviation: Runways are designed to allow a plane to takeoff under full load, and generally use most, if not all, of the runway. It seems to me that full throttle takeoff is the "Max Q" of a flight's cycle. If anything goes wrong, there's no out... you have no runway left and basically zero contingencies available.
Visually, it's kind of reminiscent of the first A320 crash. The plane's attitude makes it pretty safe to rule out suicide. My money is on a loss of power like the rest of you peeps.
Paging capt Sully….to the white phone and saw the video. Not Even a puff of smoke to indicate a bird killed the engine(s). But that’s me looking at a grainy video
OK. After watching a couple videos....im going to play arm chair Air Investigator. That takeoff did not look normal. After rotation they never really accelerated/climbed. So unless they had dual bird strikes right near rotation, then that hard to believe. For some reason they werent making power, thats clear. But i think we will find something else wrong with the engines, fuel or delivery, etc
I think the 787 can use only flaps 5 for TO...but for a long flight like this (Heavy...maybe flaps 15??) IF they missed flaps and actually took off...i would think they would have enough power to still climb...but i only fly light singles. Some pilots on another board said the one video before crash sounds quiet and the RAT is going...ie no engine thrust. I saw the tail section intact, sticking out of a building, so we should have all the data. I really hope it wasnt some stupid oversight from the crew or maintenance causing this.
How many failures on a takeoff runway have there been? How many runways would need to be doubled in length and at what cost? How many airports would have to flat out close and/or be moved farther away from the city? LGA, DCA, MDW, LAX, CUZ, LIN, MKE, most airports on islands for starters and I am sure there are whole lot more. Those double long runways wouldn't help if the engine failure occurred 5 seconds after takeoff. It would probably be more economical to go back to aircraft with 4 engines and designed to be somewhat stable with at least 2 operating, but that is not cheap either with increased plane construction costs, maintenance costs, and fuel costs. And again, no guarantees you won't die in a plane crash. A commercial flight is safer than a 30-minute drive to the airport, a round of golf in a thunderstorm, or dressing up like a power ranger and seeing how fast you can operate a motorcycle around a paved course.
Motion, The airplanes are designed for an engine failure at the worst moment in time on the TO roll and to continue the TO succesfully. The crews are trained as well. No airplane takes off unless it has the performance to take off and continue to a safe landing after an engine failure given the runway length, ambient conditions, etc.
That's awesome, but what happens when it can't take off, its doing 175 knots, and there's only 1/4 - 1/2 mile of runway remaining?
if an airliner is going that fast and cant take off..the crew done screwed the pooch...flaps wrong, speed brakes out, trim really bad, or a contaminated wing (Ice on the top surface). So what happens next.....well you go thru whatever is at the end of the runway at about 100mph and then...more than likely....turn into a BBQ
